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Debate : The Legendary Contest of Two Giants of Graphic Design by Jan van Toorn
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Product Identifiers
Publisher
Monacelli Press, Incorporated
ISBN-10
1580934129
ISBN-13
9781580934121
eBay Product ID (ePID)
201579017
Product Key Features
Book Title
Debate : the Legendary Contest of Two Giants of Graphic Design
Number of Pages
184 Pages
Language
English
Publication Year
2015
Topic
History & Criticism, Movements / Critical Theory, Graphic Arts / General
Illustrator
Yes
Genre
Design, Philosophy
Format
Hardcover
Dimensions
Item Height
1 in
Item Weight
11 Oz
Item Length
6.9 in
Item Width
9.4 in
Additional Product Features
Intended Audience
Trade
LCCN
2014-034088
Dewey Edition
23
TitleLeading
The
Reviews
"Designed by Chris Vermaes, who has shown that Wim Crouwel's systematic method and Jan Van Toorn's more intense idiosyncratic approach can be integrated, the book's compact size makes it a pleasure to hold. It should be of considerable interest to design historians as it treats in depth a significant event in Dutch graphic design history, while it ought also to engage graphic designers who can experience the intensity and nuances of a debate about design practice that have rarely existed elsewhere. Most of all, the book is a testament to the way that graphic design, thought by some to be a minor art, can support the weight of a thick and incisive discourse." -- Victor Margolin, Journal of Design History "The civil yet impassioned discussion would be one of few within the world of graphic design that would make the books--though not literally. For years, the talk had lived on among select enthusiasts, chiefly through hearsay and memory, surfacing only as fragments or asides in scant publications. It has now been translated in English, in full, for the first time. Accompanying texts by design critic Rick Poynor, design historian Frederike Huygen, and curator Dingenus Van De Vrie provide additional context to the event's proceedings, and a generous section of side-by-side plate pairings of Crouwel and Van Toorn's works--often produced for the same clients--reveal telling contrasts." -- Surface "This newly translated transcription of an intellectual joust between Wim Crouwel and Jan van Toorn takes the fertile ground of art versus commerce. The sparring happened back in 1972, but this first English translation highlights Crouwel's studious independence up against van Toorn's insistence on the importance of the designer's own politics and place in society. Backed up with context and portfolios from the two participants, this is a small book about big ideas that continue to resonate." -- Wallpaper* "The graphic design book of the year." -- Michael Bierut "Although significant, The Debate is a piece of history that was little-known to English speakers until now. Indeed it's only in recent years that the discussion has been published at all, and until the recovery of the recording by curator Dingenus van de Vrie in the early 2000s, the debate existed only in people's memories, and as a few fragments published as part of a monograph on Total Design--the studio co-founded by Crouwel in the early 60s. There's something tantalising about seeing finally set in words something that, for decades, had remained a matter of 'folklore.'" -- Grafik "It's not often that we can witness two giants in their field dispute the very grounds of their discipline. With the recent transcription of a 1972 public debate between notable Dutch graphic designers Wim Crouwel and Jan van Toorn, we can sense what is at stake in such an exchange. The influence of this discussion was far-reaching--the two poles establish a spectrum along which most designers can position their practice. Along with the complete transcription, the book includes a section placing the debate in its historical context and an appendix of the designers' work. The latter, in particular, provides major insight. The two designers' projects for similar--and often the same--clients are placed side by side, and the visual impact of their philosophies becomes readily apparent." -- Metropolis magazine "The first full English translation of this key debate, along with captions, images, glossy examples of the work of each and some fascinating context, in a wonderfully comprehensive publication." -- It's Nice That , A PRINT magazine Best Book of the Year A Design Observer Best Book of the Year "Designed by Chris Vermaes, who has shown that Wim Crouwel's systematic method and Jan Van Toorn's more intense idiosyncratic approach can be integrated, the book's compact size makes it a pleasure to hold. It should be of considerable interest to design historians as it treats in depth a significant event in Dutch graphic design history, while it ought also to engage graphic designers who can experience the intensity and nuances of a debate about design practice that have rarely existed elsewhere. Most of all, the book is a testament to the way that graphic design, thought by some to be a minor art, can support the weight of a thick and incisive discourse." --Victor Margolin, Journal of Design History "The civil yet impassioned discussion would be one of few within the world of graphic design that would make the books--though not literally. For years, the talk had lived on among select enthusiasts, chiefly through hearsay and memory, surfacing only as fragments or asides in scant publications. It has now been translated in English, in full, for the first time. Accompanying texts by design critic Rick Poynor, design historian Frederike Huygen, and curator Dingenus Van De Vrie provide additional context to the event's proceedings, and a generous section of side-by-side plate pairings of Crouwel and Van Toorn's works--often produced for the same clients--reveal telling contrasts." --Surface "This newly translated transcription of an intellectual joust between Wim Crouwel and Jan van Toorn takes the fertile ground of art versus commerce. The sparring happened back in 1972, but this first English translation highlights Crouwel's studious independence up against van Toorn's insistence on the importance of the designer's own politics and place in society. Backed up with context and portfolios from the two participants, this is a small book about big ideas that continue to resonate." --Wallpaper* "The graphic design book of the year." --Michael Bierut "Although significant, The Debate is a piece of history that was little-known to English speakers until now. Indeed it's only in recent years that the discussion has been published at all, and until the recovery of the recording by curator Dingenus van de Vrie in the early 2000s, the debate existed only in people's memories, and as a few fragments published as part of a monograph on Total Design--the studio co-founded by Crouwel in the early 60s. There's something tantalising about seeing finally set in words something that, for decades, had remained a matter of 'folklore.'" --Grafik "It's not often that we can witness two giants in their field dispute the very grounds of their discipline. With the recent transcription of a 1972 public debate between notable Dutch graphic designers Wim Crouwel and Jan van Toorn, we can sense what is at stake in such an exchange. The influence of this discussion was far-reaching--the two poles establish a spectrum along which most designers can position their practice. Along with the complete transcription, the book includes a section placing the debate in its historical context and an appendix of the designers' work. The latter, in particular, provides major insight. The two designers' projects for similar--and often the same--clients are placed side by side, and the visual impact of their philosophies becomes readily apparent." --Metropolis magazine "The first full English translation of this key debate, along with captions, images, glossy examples of the work of each and some fascinating context, in a wonderfully comprehensive publication." --It's Nice That, "Although significant, The Debate is a piece of history that was little-known to English speakers until now. Indeed it's only in recent years that the discussion has been published at all, and until the recovery of the recording by curator Dingenus van de Vrie in the early 2000s, the debate existed only in people's memories, and as a few fragments published as part of a monograph on Total Design--the studio co-founded by Crouwel in the early 60s. There's something tantalising about seeing finally set in words something that, for decades, had remained a matter of 'folklore.'" -- Grafik "It's not often that we can witness two giants in their field dispute the very grounds of their discipline. With the recent transcription of a 1972 public debate between notable Dutch graphic designers Wim Crouwel and Jan van Toorn, we can sense what is at stake in such an exchange. The influence of this discussion was far-reaching--the two poles establish a spectrum along which most designers can position their practice. Along with the complete transcription, the book includes a section placing the debate in its historical context and an appendix of the designers' work. The latter, in particular, provides major insight. The two designers' projects for similar--and often the same--clients are placed side by side, and the visual impact of their philosophies becomes readily apparent." -- Metropolis magazine "The first full English translation of this key debate, along with captions, images, glossy examples of the work of each and some fascinating context, in a wonderfully comprehensive publication." -- It's Nice That , "The first full English translation of this key debate, along with captions, images, glossy examples of the work of each and some fascinating context, in a wonderfully comprehensive publication." -- It's Nice That, A PRINT magazine Best Book of the Year A Design Observer Best Book of the Year "Designed by Chris Vermaes, who has shown that Wim Crouwel''s systematic method and Jan Van Toorn''s more intense idiosyncratic approach can be integrated, the book''s compact size makes it a pleasure to hold. It should be of considerable interest to design historians as it treats in depth a significant event in Dutch graphic design history, while it ought also to engage graphic designers who can experience the intensity and nuances of a debate about design practice that have rarely existed elsewhere. Most of all, the book is a testament to the way that graphic design, thought by some to be a minor art, can support the weight of a thick and incisive discourse." -- Victor Margolin, Journal of Design History "The civil yet impassioned discussion would be one of few within the world of graphic design that would make the books--though not literally. For years, the talk had lived on among select enthusiasts, chiefly through hearsay and memory, surfacing only as fragments or asides in scant publications. It has now been translated in English, in full, for the first time. Accompanying texts by design critic Rick Poynor, design historian Frederike Huygen, and curator Dingenus Van De Vrie provide additional context to the event''s proceedings, and a generous section of side-by-side plate pairings of Crouwel and Van Toorn''s works--often produced for the same clients--reveal telling contrasts." -- Surface "This newly translated transcription of an intellectual joust between Wim Crouwel and Jan van Toorn takes the fertile ground of art versus commerce. The sparring happened back in 1972, but this first English translation highlights Crouwel''s studious independence up against van Toorn''s insistence on the importance of the designer''s own politics and place in society. Backed up with context and portfolios from the two participants, this is a small book about big ideas that continue to resonate." -- Wallpaper* "The graphic design book of the year." -- Michael Bierut "Although significant, The Debate is a piece of history that was little-known to English speakers until now. Indeed it''s only in recent years that the discussion has been published at all, and until the recovery of the recording by curator Dingenus van de Vrie in the early 2000s, the debate existed only in people''s memories, and as a few fragments published as part of a monograph on Total Design--the studio co-founded by Crouwel in the early 60s. There''s something tantalising about seeing finally set in words something that, for decades, had remained a matter of ''folklore.''" -- Grafik "It''s not often that we can witness two giants in their field dispute the very grounds of their discipline. With the recent transcription of a 1972 public debate between notable Dutch graphic designers Wim Crouwel and Jan van Toorn, we can sense what is at stake in such an exchange. The influence of this discussion was far-reaching--the two poles establish a spectrum along which most designers can position their practice. Along with the complete transcription, the book includes a section placing the debate in its historical context and an appendix of the designers'' work. The latter, in particular, provides major insight. The two designers'' projects for similar--and often the same--clients are placed side by side, and the visual impact of their philosophies becomes readily apparent." -- Metropolis magazine "The first full English translation of this key debate, along with captions, images, glossy examples of the work of each and some fascinating context, in a wonderfully comprehensive publication." -- It''s Nice That
Dewey Decimal
741.6092/2
Synopsis
A PRINT magazine and Design Observer Best Book of the Year The first English translation of a famous 1972 debate between Dutch graphic designers Wim Crouwel and Jan van Toorn, a public clash of subjectivity versus objectivity at Amsterdam's Museum Fodor that helped set the stage for bold philosophical showdowns to come in design culture. Held in response to an exhibition of Van Toorn's work at Stedelijk Museum, including student posters protesting the Vietnam War--in an era of youth culture and increasing resistance to authority, capitalism, and the power of media--the stakes were aesthetic, ethical, and politically charged. Crouwel defended his approach of neutrality and austere rationalism, attention to typography and worksmanship, and professionalism in service of the client's message. Van Toorn argued for his use of chaos, collage, and photographs of everyday life; that a designer's ideas, personality, and political commitments are integral to the work. Dialogue on The Debate has reverberated in graphic design circles for the four decades since, and it is often referenced in modern design criticism as a key marker for the philosophical positions that continue to define the profession. The first English transcript of this key event in design history will allow a contemporary audience to discover the ongoing relevance of The Debate in an increasingly complex visual culture. Along with the transcript, this pocket-sized clothbound book contains a foreword by prominent design critic Rick Poynor, and essays from Dutch design historian Frederike Huygen, who discusses the historical context of the debate, and curator Dingenus van de Vrie, who looks more closely at these two giants' different perspectives on graphic design. A color gallery juxtaposes a representative selection from the oeuvres of Crouwel and Van Toorn, including exhibition designs, calendars, posters, brochures, artist book designs, postal stamps, and fascinating works such as the script of a 1969 stage production based on a story by Jorge Luis Borges, sealed in a tin can, and a many-gatefolded catalog for Ed Ruscha's "Dutch Details" at Groninger Museum., The first full English translation of the 1972 debate between two graphic design legends, Wim Crouwel and Jan van Toorn, which set the stage for design's critical role in contemporary visual culture.
LC Classification Number
NC997.C7513 2015
Text by
Huygen, Frederike
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